In the meantime, you can make arrangements for your SBP premiums to be made from your VA pay using Form 2891 or you can make payments directly to the VA using the address listed on this webpage. He did not die first, and so the policy does not make a payment. I have no idea why. The only conversation I remember is someone sold him a VGLI which at the time was less than 6.5% SBP premium he would have paid. The. Good afternoon Ms. Horrell, Unless this was an extraordinarily complicated case, I would review that bill pretty darn carefully.) https://www.dfas.mil/retiredmilitary/about/aboutus/customer-service.html (Youre probably considered an annuitant even though youre not receiving an annuity.) Im not sure if the retirement officer told you the wrong information, or explained it in a way that was confusing. Most people are paying SBP premiums into their 80s, and 90 is not uncommon for reservists. Other contributors to that bucket might include any other pensions from the spouses employment or the service members second career, income provided by TSP, 401(k)s or 403(b)s, life insurance or other annuities, Individual Retirement Arrangements, real estate, and other income-producing assets. The letter of law seems plain to me. I have been told that SBP payments and Social Security survivor benefits may affect one another. Contact them and explain that you made an election upon your husbands death but have never received the SBP payment. My question is list my only son 36 years old now as beneficiary. What can I do? The SBP can be assigned to a former spouse as part of divorce proceedings. I have appealed that decision of DFAS denial back in January of 2019 and still waiting to see what happens. Coverage after retirement requires a cost-benefit analysis, decision, and the signing of the appropriate paperwork. When a Social Security beneficiary dies, his or her surviving spouse is eligible for survivor benefits. Im sorry that your father did not understand that when he made the choice to enroll in SBP. Im 59 so remarriage cant change anything. In your friends case, DIC would completely offset the SBP benefit. Your goal is to fill your bucket with a variety of sources of income until it is full. Many, many people outlive life insurance proceeds. My husband never discussed pension amount or anything of the sort when he retired. Also with very few exceptions, any election made at retirement is irrevocable. If you could find a comparable insurance policy or annuity, I guarantee you that it would cost many times the cost of SBP. -I receive DIC, and SSIA, but he paid into SBP every month for 30 years. The law requiring spouses to agree to waive SBP was enacted in 1986, so you should have been asked to sign for anything less than full SBP. There is no refund of premiums if you make this choice. Whether or not it is unfair isnt particularly interesting to me, because it is what it is, and it has always been this way. VGLI may seem expensive as you go up on age, but usually thats when your health deteriorates more and commercial insurance companies can deny you coverage. He was married before during most of his time in service. Kate Hi Kate, I havent had time to read all through these posts, but my question is,- my husband died August 28, 2017 with service related death. Term life through the private sector comes with serious consumer protections. It may have turned out to be a brilliant idea, depending on how things unfold. The market risk is easy to identify: sequence of returns risk, investment risk, and inflation risk. Assuming the eligible beneficiaries are still eligible, the only window to terminate SBP coverage is between the 25th and 36th payment. If she passes before I do would I be entitled to the money I put into the SBP? I could really use some help where to start. I have many people come to me and say that the offset is unfair. He signed up for it but died less than two years after retiring from the military. Helping Military & Federal Civil Service Spouses Get Paid. If you are looking at term life insurance as a source of income for survivors, be sure that your family understands what they would need to do to make that lump sum of money grow enough to beat inflation and last for their lifetime(s.) A simple (but rough) rule of thumb is the 4% rule, which states that you should be reasonably able to withdraw 4% of your principle each year and the growth will ensure that you will never run out of principle. The check just showed up in the mail she told me at first she thought it wasnt real! It is an annuity. . Thank you for your time. I hope that doesnt happen to you, but it does happen. Can you help me understand how not making a claim against survivor benefits feels like youve lost money, but a comparable situation (like auto insurance) doesnt feel that way? The benefit drops from 55% to 35% assuming the spouse elects to receive social security. BENEFICIARIES A beneficiary is a person who receives the RCSBP annuity payments when you die. Thank you. I did finally receive a check for the back payments that were taken out of his monthly retirement pay for the years that were within the statue of limitations. All aspects of spouse SBP apply to same sex marriages. If you are rated as totally disabled, you may withdraw from SBP if you meet either of these two criteria: 1. My wife passed away two years ago. She is 83 and must have someone with at all times. I just cannot believe after 44 years of marriage for me to remember my husband this way. This category is very helpful for couples who choose not to marry, yet want to provide benefits to their partner. It is my understanding this must be filed within one year of the divorce in order to officially initiate the SBP coverage for the former spouse. A surviving spouse can collect 100 percent of the late spouse's benefit if the survivor has reached full retirement age, but the amount will be lower if the deceased spouse claimed benefits before he or she reached full retirement age. What if I die at 69? As a drilling reservist, I have already passed the date of retirement eligibility and took no action so assume I I fall under Option C (spouse only, annuity benefit on full retired pay base). Do any of them have special needs? What if neither knew they had to change the sbp annuity to former spouse? My husband was not good at money and to be honest I didnt know anything until he died that I would not be receiving his pension. Any estate worth more than $1 million is subject to estate taxes. This was just a terrible wrong.". I understand that I must contact DFAS within one year of our marriage. I understand that you mean well, but trying to convince people to sign up for SBP is wrong. Basic Employee Death Benefit Surviving Spouse. If it is forced by the process, then another option may be needed. Have you reached out to DFAS for the answer to this question? That marriage to another service member (NG or Reserve, not sure) lastet for about 7 years. I found out immediately afterwards that I was 100% permanent and total with the VA so SBP serves me no purpose as far as I undsdstand it. Ive been paying into SBP for 1.5 years and am beginning to think it was a mistake. This is usually true, but consider whether DIC will provide enough coverage for your surviving spouse and children. I guess I am trying to figure out what the term spouse cost is defined as and then if the the premiums do not continue if something were to happen to my husband. The fourth thing to think about is whether the SBP-DIC offset will be repealed at some point in the future. Spouse/Former Spouse: This is the primary category of SBP coverage, and may also include coverage for a former spouse. (And that example includes 2 years with 0% COLA.) I am unaware of any such provision in the SBP rules. Please do not worry you are covered! Now my sbp benefit was forfeited (expires). But if he is not, I need to stop paying these premuims now. I think a lawsuit would be unlikely and unsuccessful as the military provides about 45% of the cost of the SBP program, and that percentage is likely to increase with the recent elimination of the SBP-DiC offset. Like DIC, SBP is affected by Social Security when the surviving spouse turns 62. My father remarried and was married for 35 years until his spouse passed away in July 2020. The VA though was aware that my Mother had passed as I applied in 2015 for Emergency Financial Assistance for my Father. Instead, it is placed in a suspended status pending a possible future marriage. This post is part of a larger series about the Survivor Benefit Plan. The base amount is calculated as a percentage of full retired pay, and therefore adjusts with each retiree Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA). Can you look at your husbands past retiree account statements and see if the SBP premium deductions are reflected there? I was talking to an older lady the other day, her husband retired when SBP was just starting. He was in the service for 27 years and retired in 1977. As a smart friend says, Life insurance is for when the insured doesnt live as long as youd hope. You can also look at it as if the tax benefits are decreasing the cost of the premiums. For that same $130/mon, I can purchase a life insurance policy between $750,000 and $1,000,000. 2. To the best of my knowledge no DD Form 2656-1 was filed after divorce. Steven, not that I know of. Hi Kate, I retired at 62 three years ago and may not live until 92 if I die as I understand your previous post, my wife will receive the SBP payment even though it is not paid in full. Many people find that a combination of term insurance and SBP fulfill their needs better, and you dont have to opt to cover the full amount of your military retirement pay. Thanks for what you do! My mother was just informed by DFAS that my father had not elected SBP when he retired. I would be grateful if you can help. Premiums paid vs SBP received? The surviving beneficiary will receive 55% of the covered amount each month. I dont like that if my husband dies first I get nothing out of all of the premiums we paid to SBP which in my opinion is way to expensive for a 50% chance of getting nothing. I realize that this is an uncomfortable thing to say, but I probably will not have the opportunity to chat with you again. Kathrine, Im so sorry for your loss. Hi! Unlike some other military benefits, only one spouse/former spouse may be covered by SBP at any time, and there are a web of rules regarding changes. Thank you, Shellie. My question is Will I receive back pay from June to present day? Good luck to you. So, the answer to the question how long does it take? depends on how swiftly the SM notice of the FSs passing. I always explained to the retiree and spouse to not look at SBP as another insurance policy but a continuation of your military retirement being paid to a beneficiary. Whatever is remaining DFAS will send to her in a lump sum amount. There is no equity or return on investment while the insured retiree is alive. 2. Just curious did DFAS ever request repayment of your moms SBP since DIC gave back pay? It allows for an extra payment each month that fills in some (or all) of amount that it is offset. (Full retirement age for survivor benefits differs from . and if so what kind of attorney. Military lobbying groups like MOAA have made this a top priority and I think it is possible that it may happen. If it was not paid to you automatically when it was determined that your SBP would be offset by DIC, then Im thinking the next step would be to contact DFAS through one of these methods. I most definitely want her to have that protection, particularly given my life expectancy. I dont understand this as unless this means I no longer have to pay for SBP, my benefit would be far greater than my DIC. I had not heard from DFAS for over a year. We have been married the entire time (44years) and I know I never signed any forms giving up my right to his pension when he dies considering he was 10 years older than myself. Im not sure you will be able to get DFAS to tell you who was covered under your fathers SBP, but I guess it doesnt hurt to ask. JC, I apologize for the delay in responding. I have no proof if he did this or not. I have considered going to the nearest USAF base personnel offices and speak with a SBP knowledgeable officer or NCO. <>>> If you look on his retiree account statement, it will show SBP premiums being deducted from his military retirement pay if he enrolled in SBP. The request must be received within one year of the law's. stream Hi Kate. The premiums will be automatically deducted by DFAS from your monthly retirement check. Spouse 2. Confused. One month later I put my mom in for dic and in January 2018 it was approved. It is hard at any age. He doesnt get more then $150.00 dollars a month for retire pay (offset) since he didnt serve for 20+ years and his VA rating pay was higher then his medical retirement. Be aware that there are many regulations about SBP, including former spouse coverage, disabled child coverage, and insurable interest coverage. His former spouse filed a claim and my benefit has stopped. However, that is now not the case. * I appreciate all your explanations, and look forward to your reply. Longevity risk is a serious issue with lump sum payouts or investments. Brown did not hesitate to name his first wife as his beneficiary when they divorced in 1991. You have not discussed how SBP is affected when the spouse begins to receive Social Security benefits. The issue of military pay for surviving spouses (widows or widowers) is confusing and a little challenging. He did not have beneficiary forms on file. There is no health examination or medical underwriting for SBP coverage. Will it stop automatically? We have approximately $500K in equity (in the house, which we plan to sell in 6 years) and approximately $250K in savings and education accounts. This much be very difficult for you. Im glad you are happy with your decision not to purchase SBP, but please do not counsel others without all the facts.. Kate, I am preparing to retire from the Air National Guard in May 2019 and among other things I am trying to get some clarity on the RCSBP. Insured Interest coverage also has variable premiums that are based upon the age of the retiree and the age of the beneficiary. When she turns 18 will I then be able to change my SBP to my wife? If the retiree was not married at the time of their former spouse's death, but later marries, the new spouse can still be listed as the SBP beneficiary. But dont count on what your investments will do in the future. Will they reimburse me for the last 20 years and what should I really ave gotten since now his disability was 100%. But back pay from 12/29/2011 through 11/30/2017 would be valid. Survivor Benefit Plan, or SBP: Surviving spouses or children of service members who die in the line of active duty may be entitled to SBP payments. The SBP-Social Security offset was eliminated in the 2005 National Defense Authorization Act. I have done extensive research within SBP publications, but have never found this addressed. They didnt say what was going to happen, they just asked for a copy of our marriage license and his death certificate. http://www.moaa.org/uploadedFiles/MOAA_Main/Main_Menu/Publications/Books_and_Guides_-_MOAA_Info_Exchange%C2%AE/Former_Spouse_Benefits/formerspouse_final.pdf. Survivors of Retired Service Members If a sponsor dies after retiring from active duty (either regular or a medical retirement), surviving family members remain eligible for TRICARE with the same health plan options and costs they had before their sponsor passed away. Her claim was denied because my father never set up ex-spouse SBP. I have a question. Hi Kate! SBP provides monthly income to the beneficiary after the military retirement pay ends due to the death of the service member. Children over the age of 21 cannot be beneficiaries. Keep in mind that this premium is paid pre-tax, so the net effective cost is lower. What are they going to do to resolve the non-payment issue? I submitted the request for the pro-rated amount of his last annuity pay. The next question is, what in your plan provides for income for your survivors? If the spouse remarries before the age of 55, they forfeit their SBP monthly payments until and unless that marriage ends. Thanks! However, there are many reasons why you might still want SBP even if youll get DIC. If you are asking about something else, please let me know. Lourdes, I am unaware of any way to circumvent the requirements that SBP election be made within one year of marriage. Thanks in advance and looking forward to your reply! Its not a hit on my credit. My questions are: While the law says that a beneficiary can not receive the full amount of both SBP and DIC, there is a special program that refunds a portion of the offset amount. There is no requirement to make a minimum number of payments or have coverage for a certain amount of time. Brown, who hired an attorney to help him pursue the issue, said that he's also happy for other affected retirees. 2. I understand the opportunity to elect former spouse coverage within 1 year of divorce. Jerry, yes, you should automatically stop paying premiums when your child turns 18, if the child is not in college. In many cases, it will not. Your monthly pension is reduced by 5%*. SBP (a portion of your retirement) will be paid with no questions asked to your spouse at least till he/she deceases. 1-Spouse: The surviving spouse is the beneficiary of RCSBP upon the death of the Soldier/Retired Soldier. There is no provision for a non-dependent adult child to receive SBP benefits. If you elected the full SBP, the benefit is 55% of your retirement pay. Background: J (my now adopted son) is in fact my great nephew and still a minor (11yrs old). If the beneficiary isnt going to want that job, how will they find and supervise the right financial advisors. I retired as a Colonel (O6) with 30 years of service. She knew nothing about a refund and that refund could result in a large irs tax penalty! ***If your survivor is someone other than your spouse - your cost may be higher than 5% - but the benefit amount to your survivor would be the same. Are you asking if the premiums must continue to be paid if the insured dies? The Military Coalition also adopted the issue as a goal to be remedied in fiscal 2016, Odom said. Good evening Kate, SBP coverage for my spouse? When I received the return of SBP premiums they withheld about 10%. I dont know if its my fault as to what theyve said, but please enlighten and help me with this. In addition my mother has suggested that my father put in his will that my younger sister (50 years old) be the beneficiary of this benefit. Both these actions must occur within one year of the divorce. Hi Kate, great article thanks for the wealth of knowledge. I also have my 2019 IRS 1099 form. At the bottom of his statement it says spouse cost $274.00. If your spouse has the pension and you both choose to receive that pension as a lifetime benefit, while your spouse is alive, you might receive $1,600 a month in pension benefits. "There are others who are in much worse [financial] shape. Longevity risk presents two problems: spending too much, or spending too little. If your mother does not have a MyPay account, I suggest that you help her establish one. What if you tried to cancel during the cancellation period and Military Finance sent you the wrong form and then did not honor the cancelation? Full retirement age . I did not know about the offset until his death. endobj He made a SBP election when we got married 19 years ago. /% J9G n`cc Y\ k_\i\ kf gifk\Zk pfli jgflj\ `] pfl i\dXiip% If you lose your spouse and your SBP premiums stop, you will be able to elect SBP to cover a new spouse if you remarry. Assistant General Counsel for Garnishment Operations. 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